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Christian Essentials |
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"True
Christian" Controversies |
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Galileo Analogy |
I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of
heaven and earth. And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord; who was
conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under
Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead, and buried; he descended into hell;
the third day he rose again from the dead; he ascended into heaven, and
sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty; from thence he
shall come to judge the quick and the dead. I believe in the Holy
Ghost; the holy catholic Church; the communion of saints; the
forgiveness of sins; the resurrection of the body; and the life
everlasting. AMEN. |
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Nicene Creed
We believe in one God, |
Controversial opinions as to who is a “true Christian."
Are some of the controversies given below unnecessary divisions within the
church? Acknowledging a set of essential, core Christian beliefs implies that there may be other beliefs that are less important - at least are not important enough to be in the core and not important ENOUGH to automatically exclude someone from being a Christian. This is where John Wesley says we should “Think and let think.” This means that we should acknowledge that another person who also believes in the essential, core Christian beliefs, but disagrees on one of these other relatively minor points, is also entitled to be called a Christian. Below is a set of paired beliefs and opinions. For each of the paired beliefs and opinions below consider the following questions. The purpose of this is to encourage all of us to think more clearly about our own beliefs and how they relate to the beliefs of others. a) Does one of the pair actually belong in the core and should be stated as such? - That is, a Christian must believe one of these – and a belief in the other automatically excludes the person as a member of the Christian church, even though the person does believe in the rest of the essential, core beliefs. What do you think the response of Jesus would be to your opinion and judgment of excluding such a person? b) If we believe one of the pair belongs in the core, is it possible that it is our own personal arrogance to even try to judge another person’s heart and commitment as a true Christian based on the essential, core set of beliefs? c) Regardless of your own strong personal views on the subject and specific agreement and disagreement for the opinions expressed in the pairs, do you acknowledge that a person with the opposite opinion could also be a Christian? (i.e., back to the idea that one view actually belongs in the core.) d) Does the concept of being “less of a Christian” or a “flawed Christian,” rather than not being a Christian at all apply here? That is, instead of having to choose only between a person either being a Christian or not a Christian based on this one issue, is a third category of “less of a Christian” or “flawed Christian,” appropriate? e) What do you think the response of Jesus would be for each opinion? f) If you consider one of the pair a sin, the departure of an individual from God’s will, does sinning exclude a person from being a Christian? (RLW: Your answer has enormous implications!) g) What other pairs of points are controversial and tend to divide the Christian church (unnecessarily?).
PAIRS:
1) smokes cigarettes / does not smoke 2) drinks alcohol occasionally / drinks no alcohol 3) traditional church music / contemporary church music 4) traditional church format / contemporary church format 5) Democrat / Republican 6) for capital punishment / against capital punishment 7) “pro-choice” / “pro-life” 8) interpret the Bible literally (which version? Details are just as important as the point of the message.) / interpret the Bible seriously (What’s the point of the passage?) 9) believes it is OK for women to be pastors / not OK for women to be pastors 10) Catholic / not a Catholic (or some other denominational dichotomy) 11) creationism (God created all species instantaneously) / evolution (God created different species using evolution as the process.) 12) heterosexual / homosexual 13) speaking in tongues / not speaking in tongues 14) Baptism by immersion / baptism not by immersion |
The Sun Revolves Around the Earth ...and that's all there is to it. (The following article is from http://www.entrypoints.com/ LogicPage/Galileo'sRebuttal.html and I believe is analogous to the current, creationism / evolution controversy. You can see my own editorial about this topic below and at http://thisibelieve.org/essay/41512/ ) The bare assertion fallacy is, to put it simply, a fallacy of reasoning in which the user gives no reasons at all for his position other than the fact that he says so. It is the treasured fallacy of every parent who has ever told his child, "You want to know why you're not going? I'll tell you why: Because I said so." This reasoning is spotted by almost everyone as illogical but it remains powerful because it relies on a power difference between the two arguers. Imagine a child using the same strategy on his parent: "Now you listen to me: you'll buy me that go-kart right now...BECAUSE I'M THE KID AND YOU'LL DO AS I SAY." Bold, to be sure, but laughable. So status is the key. Now here's a question: who has the greatest status in the universe? No, not Michael Jordan. Nor is it Larry King. The answer I'm seeking is GOD. Surely a God who calls Himself "I am that I am" is one who has ultimate status. (Modern response: You da God.") So when God says, "That's the way it is simply because I said so," there isn't a whole lot a God-fearing world can do except say, "Okay." And that was the basic scene back in 1600 when a scientist named Galileo was advancing his theories that the earth revolved around the sun. He was not the originator of these theories: Copernicus had been advancing them for several years and some thinkers a millennium prior had speculated as much. But Galileo was the man who put his theories into an argument against the church of his day. And the Catholic church, still stinging from Luther's revolt, was in no mind to have further erosion come from the fledgling scientific community. The church's position was as follows: The Bible was the inerrant word of God. It contained verses which showed that the earth was anchored while the sun moved. It was also the general consensus that the earth was the center of God's plan. Therefore, the sun couldn't revolve around the earth. And the natural response is: Why not? To which the answer would have to be: Because God said so. To which a serious arguer would've followed up with: show me the money (verses). To which a papal commission would've said: "Try these on for size." Ecclesiastes 1:4 and 5: One generation goeth, and another generation cometh; but the earth abideth for ever. The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to its place where it ariseth. Psalms 92: "He has made the world firm, not to be moved." Psalms 103: "You fixed the earth upon its foundation, not to be moved forever." And how about in Joshua 10:12: "Then spake Joshua to Jehovah in the day when Jehovah delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon." To which any God-fearing person would've likely responded, "Touche." But not Galileo. He had a new telescope he had invented and he had seen proof, lots of proof. And he was bound and determined to overthrow this logical fallacy. Some historians say he went out of his way to pick a fight with the church over this issue. Well, it came to a head first in 1616. Pope Paul V had a group of experts consider the basic tenets of this "Copernican doctrine" and determined it was "foolish and absurd philosophically and formally heretical inasmuch as it expressly contradicts the doctrine of Holy Scripture in many passages." In other words, God said so. Forget science. Forget evidence. It went against what God said directly in the scriptures. End of argument. Galileo was publicly chastised by the church and warned "to abstain altogether from teaching or defending this opinion and doctrine, and even from discussing it." Well, Galileo was not one for bare assertions. Actually, there are two layers of bare assertions here: one from God, the other from the church. The one from God Galileo had no trouble dealing with. He too believed in the inerrancy of the scriptures. The problem, he asserted, was with the way the church interpreted the Bible. Their idea of inerrancy was absolute literalness. He was quick to point out many figurative passages in the Bible which even they accepted as figurative. He also reminded them that the Bible needed to be understood in its historical context. No, Galileo wasn't refuting God's fallacy for he saw none there; he was refuting the fallacy of the church being able to state categorically something as true based on their interpretation, something which was obviously (to him, anyway) not true. So Galileo pressed on, arguing his case. In 1633 with a new pope (Urban) at the helm, Galileo's taunts could be tolerated no longer. The church inquisitioned him again and this time censured him. He was finally condemned by the Holy Office as "vehemently suspected of heresy" and forced to live out his life (which was diminishing rapidly) in a kind of house arrest. It wasn't really all that bad; he continued writing and lived in modest comfort. But the church had the last word, the party of superior status got its way. Many people mark this as the beginning of the strife between science and religion, between reason and faith. But that isn't altogether fair. Before we all jump on the bandwagon (another kind of fallacy) and start cursing the church too loudly, we should keep in mind that many others of Galileo's day, including Luther and much of academia, also disagreed with his views. But there is a difference. These others didn't have the power to put an end to the argument and thus they weren't able to make use of one of the grandest of logical fallacies, the Bare Assertion. |
Creationism Is Not An Essential
Christian Belief.
Ray L. Winstead http://thisibelieve.org/essay/41512/
I believe that a belief in creationism – or not – does not belong in a list of essential Christian beliefs. I believe this falls into the same category as the “essential” belief by the church long ago that the sun revolved around the earth. Official church doctrine, based on sincere but erroneous interpretation of the Bible at the time, was that the earth was the center of the universe and therefore the sun must revolve around the earth. The church “proved” this concept by their interpretation of the Bible. This concept was considered a fundamental, essential belief, and people who expressed the idea that the earth revolved around the sun were thrown out of the church. Unfortunately, and unnecessarily, the faith of many people depended on this fallacy, since it was considered an essential tenet of the faith. I believe people today who are unaware of or reject current scientific findings are making the same mistake when they define a Christian as one who necessarily must believe in creationism. There are other reasonable, alternative interpretations of the Bible that are consistent with the main points, and I believe, the main goal of the Bible. I take the Bible seriously as the Word of God. I continually try to ask the question of each Bible passage “What’s the point?” and “What is God trying to tell me?” In this case the main point is that God created everything: Heaven, earth, all living organisms, and all the laws of nature. Acknowledging God as the Creator is essential. Period. How He did it is not an essential point of Christianity. I believe no conflict exists between the concept of God being the Creator and the concept of evolution. I believe that God created all natural laws of the universe. There are consistent views expressing this idea of NO CONFLICT. I strongly recommend that you read the book The Language of God (2006) by Francis S. Collins. The point is that the two ideas of God being the Creator and evolution need not be thought of as mutually exclusive – as believed, unfortunately, by many Christians AND many scientists. The creationists will claim their revelation is through prayer and a sincere faith and belief that they have the correct interpretation of the Bible. Christians who also believe that evolution has occurred make exactly the same claim. I believe that someone who thinks that a person is not really a Christian if he believes that evolution has occurred is someone who is really expressing the same pious, arrogant, (but sincere) attitude and ignorance expressed by those church leaders long ago who believed it was essential to believe that the sun revolved around the earth. I fear that people today whose faith depends on a belief on any natural phenomenon are doomed to have their faith unnecessarily shaken when even they are overwhelmed by the scientific evidence about some natural event or process – as occurred with the sun revolving around the earth example.
http://thisibelieve.org/essay/41512/ :
For just a very little example of how someone's interpretation of certain Bible
passages MAY not be what was really meant see below: http://acts242study.com/before-the-rooster-crows/
In this particular case, it is very likely that Jesus did not mean the bird -
but a Roman wind instrument (similar to a trumpet) announcing the time of the
changing of the guard. In today's world an accurate interpretation of the Bible
means more than just a literal understanding of the word used and what
the word means today. Historical context is also necessary. In this case, for
example, according to the Mishna, poultry were forbidden in Jerusalem (in spite
of artist representations to the contrary - based on a likely misunderstanding
of the word used - see the article.) My own view overall, not really directly
related to this little example of the general idea, is that I believe everything
in the Bible is meant to be interpreted within the context of what Jesus said
about Love, i.e., I believe in a "Love First Theology." Such an overall view I
believe is essential to better understand the Bible and what Jesus is trying to
tell us. Interpretations outside this general principle I believe are, at least,
suspect and definitely worth further prayer and investigation.
Before the Rooster Crows
Posted on October 16, 2015
Jesus answered, “I tell you, Peter, before the rooster crows today, you will deny three times that you know me.” – Luke 22:34
Peter replied, “Man, I don’t know what you’re talking about!” Just as he was speaking, the rooster crowed.” – Luke 22:60
Read also: Matthew 26:34, 74-75; Mark 14:30, 66-68; Luke 22:34, 60-68; John13:38 and John 18:27
Here is an interesting piece of information that I learned from my rabbi recently while studying the story of the crucifixion. It doesn’t change the story in any way and is a fact that can’t be confirmed with certainty, but it is something fun to think about. However, it does point out again, as we have seen so many times, that we have a hard time understanding some of the sayings of Jesus because we didn’t live in that time period and don’t know the idioms they used or what the original wording might have meant.
All four gospels tell the story of Peter denying Jesus during His arrest and trial. Immediately after the third denial, Peter hears a rooster crow. Was there a rooster in the area where the trial took place in upper Jerusalem that crowed at that moment or was it something else? Or, did we miss something? Let’s take a look. First of all, according to the Mishna (Baba Kamma vii7) poultry were forbidden in Jerusalem, ”on account of the holy things”, or “on account of the sanctuary”.
“No cocks or hens must be raised in Jerusalem (even by laymen), because of the voluntary offerings (the meat of which may be eaten in any part of the city, and as the habit of the named fowls is to peck with their beaks in the rubbish, they may peck into a dead reptile and then peck in the meat of the offerings). In all other parts of Palestine priests only must not raise them, as they use leave-offerings for their meals, and they must be very careful about cleanliness.”
The fear was because they are such a messy animal, their presence might defile some of the holy items used in the sacrifices that were to be eaten. Could this be possible that it wasn’t a rooster? We’ve all seen and heard the rooster crowing in plays and on the movie programs!
If it wasn’t a rooster, what was it? The answer lies in the division of the night watches during Jesus’ time. The Romans divided each day into three hour blocks and the night blocks were called watches (see also study Bible notes on Matthew 14:25). The first night watch began at 6:00 p.m. and lasted until 9:00 p.m. The second watch ended at midnight, the third at 3:00 a.m., and the 4th at 6:00 a.m. or sunrise. Jesus seems to confirm this when He tells the disciples in an earlier story in Mark 13:35of these same four divisions:
“Therefore keep watch because you do not know when the owner of the house will come back—whether in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or at dawn. –Mark 13:35
Notice that Jesus call the 3rd watch, “the rooster crows”, and makes a distinction between rooster crowing and dawn.
The Romans used the tuba, the cornu (pictured), and the bucina to sound reveille (cock-crow)
The signal the Roman divisions used to change the guard for each shift was a trumpet call. The Latin word for trumpet call (the language spoken by the soldiers) is “gullicinium”, which means, “cock-crowing”. At the end of the 3 a.m. and 6 a.m. shifts, the guard change was announced by a Roman “cock-crowing” or blowing of a trumpet. What Peter heard probably wasn’t an actual rooster crowing, but the end of the watch trumpet call! Jesus used that same phrase to describe it.
Although this knowledge doesn’t change the intent or outcome of the Peter story, it is just interesting to see that there are often things from the time period that we may not have understood clearly and therefore get missed in the translation.
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